Comments on: Lenny won’t ship rng http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/ and no tagline either Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:00:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Ben http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79672 Ben Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:13:26 +0000 http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79672 I don't think you realise that all this interest in reportbug-ng is a huge compliment. People care about it because it's a good tool which performs an important role. Inclusion in Lenny would implicitly endorse rng as the replacement for reportbug, and that's why a higher standard than 'it kinda works' is being applied. You should see the bug-of-doom as the last obstacle before rng becomes the default Debian bug reporting tool, which would be pretty cool. I don’t think you realise that all this interest in reportbug-ng is a huge compliment. People care about it because it’s a good tool which performs an important role. Inclusion in Lenny would implicitly endorse rng as the replacement for reportbug, and that’s why a higher standard than ‘it kinda works’ is being applied. You should see the bug-of-doom as the last obstacle before rng becomes the default Debian bug reporting tool, which would be pretty cool.

]]> By: Patrick Schoenfeld http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79625 Patrick Schoenfeld Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:31:47 +0000 http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79625 Just to state my opinion, too, although I don't use the scripts: Yes, I do think this is a release critical bug. Even if it isn't it the usual sense ("a serious violation of the policy (means violating a "must" or "required" clause"), it is because it was decided by people who *are* responsible for a release. If its against your opinion and you think you have good reasons then go ahead and discuss this with the CTTE which is responsible to decide if teams opinions and maintainers opinions diverse. But unless you don't do that, you really should go and fix the bug or accept the fact that reportbug-ng won't be included in lenny. Just to state my opinion, too, although I don’t use the scripts: Yes, I do think this is a release critical bug. Even if it isn’t it the usual sense (”a serious violation of the policy (means violating a “must” or “required” clause”), it is because it was decided by people who *are* responsible for a release. If its against your opinion and you think you have good reasons then go ahead and discuss this with the CTTE which is responsible to decide if teams opinions and maintainers opinions diverse. But unless you don’t do that, you really should go and fix the bug or accept the fact that reportbug-ng won’t be included in lenny.

]]> By: Kevin Mark http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79380 Kevin Mark Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:27:38 +0000 http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79380 Other packages are not doing something as important for Debian, and by implication, its developers and its development. Developers want those features used for bug reports, so they have an interest in what features you 'choose' to include. Would you want a bug report without the version number, which kernel, etc? Would that not make the program 'gravely' useless for you? Other packages are not doing something as important for Debian, and by implication, its developers and its development. Developers want those features used for bug reports, so they have an interest in what features you ‘choose’ to include. Would you want a bug report without the version number, which kernel, etc? Would that not make the program ‘gravely’ useless for you?

]]> By: Philipp Kern http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79331 Philipp Kern Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:55:00 +0000 http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79331 Apart from MadCoder's remarks: it will be shipped, iff the bug is fixed. (And the severities one should be fixed, too.) Apart from MadCoder’s remarks: it will be shipped, iff the bug is fixed. (And the severities one should be fixed, too.)

]]> By: Michal Čihař http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79269 Michal Čihař Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:33:09 +0000 http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79269 Ah, this is reason why some bug reports do not contain all information which is defined in /usr/share/bug/.../control and I have to ask reporters for it? Well then I think this should be fixed... Ah, this is reason why some bug reports do not contain all information which is defined in /usr/share/bug/…/control and I have to ask reporters for it? Well then I think this should be fixed…

]]> By: Np237 http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79268 Np237 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:32:19 +0000 http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79268 Why don’t you fix the bug instead of complaining? It doesn’t sound like something that hard to do. BTW, rng reports *are* unusable for me. Especially since they don’t follow /usr/share/bug/$package/control (which doesn’t require any terminal, hmmm ?) I’m often tempted to simply dismiss them and ask the reporter to use a worthwile reporting tool. Why don’t you fix the bug instead of complaining? It doesn’t sound like something that hard to do.

BTW, rng reports *are* unusable for me. Especially since they don’t follow /usr/share/bug/$package/control (which doesn’t require any terminal, hmmm ?) I’m often tempted to simply dismiss them and ask the reporter to use a worthwile reporting tool.

]]> By: Ganneff http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79263 Ganneff Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:22:48 +0000 http://blog.venthur.de/2008/06/09/lenny-wont-ship-rng/#comment-79263 Yes, he is right and should have done it much earlier already. Yes, he is right and should have done it much earlier already.

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